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Reader Feedback: Words of Warning on Windows 7

With the channel getting a serious look at Windows 7, we expect the positive buzz from the partner community about the forthcoming operating system to intensify. In fact, with this week's news that Microsoft will offer an upgrade from XP to Windows 7, we're thinking that Windows fans anxious to forget about Vista will hardly be able to contain themselves.

But let's not get carried away. Already there's talk that user access control -- that thorn in many Vista users' sides -- will be weakened in Windows 7. That might not seem like a bad thing, but it could have the potentially unfortunate consequence of making Windows 7 less secure than Vista.

And that's not all. Despite the mostly positive feedback we've had coming in from readers, a couple of you wrote to warn us that Windows 7 might not be the blockbuster that its buzz suggests it'll be -- or, at least, that Windows 7 might give users some of the same problems that came with Vista. Let's start with Tom:

"Every bit of the EXISTING hardware would not work in Vista -- except my mouse!  The vendors DID have hardware stuff for Vista -- but only NEW stuff. They left all the other perfectly fine hardware already bought, paid for and working fine with XP behind since they wanted people to throw it away and, in my case, spend a few thousand more to replace the perfectly good working hardware with new hardware that did the same exact functions and had the same technical abilities. The only difference was a new set of drivers so that this hardware could run on Vista. That is just plain bad economics.

"Windows 7 -- I face the same problem. All of that same four- to eight-year-old hardware works fine on XP but NONE will work on W7. I would have to scrap it all and buy new hardware just to get the drivers!

"Now, would manufacturers want to spend $50k-plus of their money JUST to write a SINGLE driver that would work with the old hardware? No, they would lose money and get no income doing that. Some companies like HP would spend millions for no new income at all. So, as a business, it is bad to spend money and get nothing back. But spend that $50k and sell a million new printers identical to the old but they come with a driver to work with Vista -- ah, payback and profit!

"Microsoft and the manufacturers forgot to ask the users if they are willing to spend $500 to $2000 in new EXTERNAL hardware just so they can work with that new OS. No."

Tom, we're getting Vista flashbacks here, we have to admit. But the real issue seems to be a lack of advancement on the hardware side. It might be -- might be -- worth $500 to $2,000 to upgrade hardware along with moving to Windows 7...if there were a reason to buy new hardware. Still, while this problem might not be Microsoft's fault, it could still end up being Microsoft's problem, again.

Ken, never a fan of Vista, writes to us regarding Windows 7...and he's not a fan of the new OS, either:

"Microsoft, in an act of blind stupidity, has taken away the classic start menu and forced this new menu approach, which if you come from an information management or records management background (and many people have) is not intuitive and does not allow us to customize the start bar in a way that suits how we wish to work. I really resent an OS forcing me to work someone else's way, and I also resent being forced to accept someone else's perception of change just for the sake of change when there is no obvious benefit other than cosmetic. There will be Geeks that refute this and say they are glad it's gone, but that effectively just whitewashes the rest of us who are desperately trying to minimize our costs (both hardware and software), training and re-training efforts and budgets and concentrate on our core business survival without being constantly distracted by changes Microsoft thinks we should all be forced to technically embrace.

"For every one of my clients attracted to Windows 7, the other 9 have expressed concerns about two major features that have gone. The classic start bar is a big one. The second is the total non-existence of a repair-restore option.

"This is just plain stupidity by Microsoft. They are publicly saying these two features will not be included, and so just on that fact alone I cannot see any sensible IT manager buying the product. If you have ever had to run an IT site -- and I have a 5,000-user site for Victoria Police here in Melbourne, Australia -- users just seem to be able to break PCs daily for the most bizarre reasons. In a corporate world, you have techniques to handle this, like spare PCs, use of SOEs and image files and data stored on servers centrally managed.

"However, when you come to servicing smaller (fewer than 10 users) businesses or agencies (here in Australia that comprises 50 percent or more of the workforce), these agencies have neither the time nor the resources to handle Windows 7 rollouts if there is not a certain familiar look and feel about the OS; they are freaked out by the new interface, are appalled that the classic start menu has gone (including their ability to do things the way they have become accustomed), and they do not want to pay for staff to have to learn new ways of doing old tasks. They are staggered there is no repair/restore option, which I often used to salvage one of their broken PCs with XP."

Ken, you bring up some very good points. A lot of partners and IT folks -- people doing beta testing and the like -- seem to like Windows 7. But will users warm to it after years of familiarity with XP? That's hard to say; certainly, Vista didn't win a lot of hearts and minds. We'll have to see. One thing's for sure, though: Microsoft really needs Windows 7 to succeed. Whether it does or not could come down to some of the issues mentioned here.

Thanks to Tom and Ken for their contributions. Anybody else who wants to chime in should, at lpender@rcpmag.com.

Posted by Lee Pender on February 05, 2009 at 6:53 PM


Reader Comments

Thu, Feb 26, 2009 Ken Melbourne

To Tom Casey who merely attempts to dismiss all IT Managers who are analytical and critical of a new OS as being against change I suggest you become a little bit more charitable and accept that many people do not share your view of the world. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being against change. I have been in the industry for 30 years and have adapted to change all along but I do not HAVE to accept that change for no good reason and no apparent benefit is a MUST HAVE especially if I get lumbered with a whole pile of new cost and having to learn new ways of doing the same old tasks. Fred is absolutely spot on with his comments - he must have been in the industry a long time to form those views because they make sense and come from someone who clearly understands what it means to be a true IT Manager not just a techno phile. DF from Colorado .. Microsoft actually does not have the power to force me onto anything. That's like saying GMH has the ability to force me to buy their gas guzzling motor car. Thankfully consumer choice is what makes the world go around. This is a debate no-one will win. If you like Windows 7 by all means you go out and buy it , pay top dollar for , get a total new suite of applications , a brand new PC and be happy. BUT do not try to kid yourself that everyone else has to follow your lead or that somehow makes you superior. In my world XP allows me to do EVERYTHING I want and need. Windows 7 might look a bit nicer but already I have found enough issues to make me very wary of it. I like and want to be able to have and customise the old classic start bar , a lot of people are happy with it -why take it out and increase the angst from XP users - not smart Microsoft how hard would it have been to LEAVE it in place. Also I installed Office 2003 then tried to upgrade it to Office 2007 just to see . It worked but left all the old 2003 pinned icons on the start bar and they could not be removed - no delete option - unpinning does not work - that's a big irritant and there is no repair/restore option on the original DVD like in XP so if the OS goes belly up you are stuffed. Dont tell me about system restore .. that ONLY works if you can still boot , a real system failure means you cannot boot. XP gives you a get out of jail card using this option , saves time and money in small business environs. SO before you go dismissing arbitrarily the views of someone who has worked in the industry in up to 5000 User sites for over 30 years I suggest you broaden your outlook and accept XP users have valid concerns. If you don't like that , frankly bad luck - we will not change our views because we are totally within our rights to manage our environs that way nor will we be swayed by emotion or aggressive marketing , hate or flame mail. Microsoft you continue to do things that just make it too difficult for XP users to willingly come on board. I agree Windows 7 is better than VISTA , has some upside and potential. Why you insist on upsetting XP users by not including a few small things that would be really helpful in migrating to Windows 7 astonishes me. Its like you are deliberately trying to alienate us .. just dumb in my book.

Thu, Feb 26, 2009 GC

On the hardware side - either dual boot or run XP in a virtual machine. That is becoming simpler and simpler (I do that for my scanner and photo printer) as W7 will have virtualisation support built in.

While I don't like it, the approach from hardware vendors makes sense. If I was a vendor looking at profitibility, I would probably do the same (or sell driver upgrades).

Mon, Feb 9, 2009 df colorado

Tom and Ken make some excellent comments. But MS will have the real beauty of the situation on their side- in the end, even though they don't like or want the product- Tom and Ken still will not get a choice and will be, eventually, forced onto windows 7.
Its the MS business model.

Fri, Feb 6, 2009

It seems the only reason for software upgrades was better apps or features for work. BUT we seem to force the dog to learn to change and then have it learn new tricks? NOT good. besides software upgrades and harware upgrades hand in hand KILLed a few companies....WANG... any more ideas Microsoft.

Thu, Feb 5, 2009 Rob Elmsford

For those of us who had Vista ready hardware & software, Vista was a nice slick refresh from the Win 95 & up UI .
Complain all you want about the UAC, but it makes a user stop and think a few times before they do something they shouldn't- which is why the Geek squad hates Vista. All earlier OSs were easy to "screw-up" by the average user, which is why for $200 the chain companies will do a manufacturer wipe & re-install every time "the PC screws up" (code for I wish I knew what I was doing).
XP SP 2 was great, and still is for the masses, because the masses really can't afford both their Escalade and Vista (or someday-to-be Win 7) ready hardware (so they are finally finding out).
Less warnings from the UAC tells me that my users have the potential to get in more trouble with Win 7 than that UAC annoying Vista product. MS tried to put out a good product with Vista, and I'm sure they are hoping that the hardware venders get on-board faster with the necessary drivers than they did with Vista. Had Joe User admitted he was an amateur and spent some time checking for the updated drivers before waiting for the SP1 package deal to come along, Vista wouldn't be so newsworthy, and Win 7 wouldn't be the new great white hope- which will have it's own growing pains just like every other OS that has and will come from the MS campus.

Thu, Feb 5, 2009 Robert DFW

Fred, you proved my point exactly. If it is not practical for someone or a company to move away from XP then don't. But by all means don't complain about the new stuff not supporting your hardware. I'm not telling people to upgrade if they don't have a practical reason too. I just want people to stop complaining about a situation that doesn't apply to them if they aren't going to change. There must be some underlying reason that people are complaining and it is most likely that they would like to upgrade to the nice new stuff, but they want MS or whatever OS vendor to make it painless for them to do so. MS or Apple won't do this. MS used to do this, but at some point they had to make a decision to change in order to be a more stable OS such as Apple or Linux. Vista is much more stable than XP, and this is largely due to the fact of how they handled 3rd party drivers for hardware.

Thu, Feb 5, 2009 Ian oz

Its pretty obvious that MS should continue to sell/support XP on a subscription basis. That way they get the revenue they need to justify keeping it fresh, instead of continually having to ram 'new' operating systems down our throats (as they must to keep in business). The only way XP will be expunged is via a paradigm shift - and vista and 7 are not this - that obsoletes the old way of doing things. Trouble is that paradigm shifts are a wild kind of magic that simply cannot be bought - they can be enabled, but not bought for any amount....
And as far as security goes - none of them are secure - XP deliberately made insecure for obvious reasons, vista and 7 made so to protect strategic interests. And if anyone doubts this I invite them to take a close look at my internet facing equipment...

Thu, Feb 5, 2009 Fred Maryland

This is the classic case of practical versus an irrational need to define progress as change or change as progress. The reason there is such resistance to moving off XP in the real world is that XP does what people need. It is familiar so it does not force them to spend time and money relearning how to do what they do. They can accomplish thier tasks and move on.

The "time for new hardware argument" falls flat for the same reason. Most people haven't upgraded their hardware in a while because the hardware they have does just fine. The fact that new processors, printers, and other devices have better specs, more features, and look shinier just doesn't matter.

What matters is getting the job done at a reasonable cost and in a reasonable period of time. Until Microsoft and other technology companies come around to this realization, we'll continue to have the great debates about why folks aren't rushing to this "wonderful" new stuff. Simple answer - they don't need it and no solution is "wonderful" if it addresses a problem folks don't have.

Roll out a system that is lean, clean, and allows users to settle in at a level of equipment and training that doesn't break their budgets and people will rush to it. Windows 7 does look better than Vista to be sure but that's not saying as much as many would like us to believe.

There's a huge opportunity for a well implemented Linux solution to gain traction or for Apple to get out of their own way and implement an enterprise ready solution. If either of these scenarios come into play, I think Microsoft may well be poised for a fall.

Thu, Feb 5, 2009 Robert DFW

I don't understand all these people that are complaining about Windows 7 not working with older hardware. If people are refusing to upgrade hardware for the updated drivers, then why are these people even thinking about upgrading to Windows 7 or Vista? If you don't want to update your hardware, why are you updating your software. These two things have to go hand in hand to get the best results in many cases. This is true across all platforms, not just MS. I agree with a previous comment that this is not MS's problem, but a problem of the hardware vendors. Unfortunately, the public doesn't understand that and MS will need to figure out how to deal with this. I am one who loves Vista and really like Windows 7 from what I have seen so far. I also don't mind upgading my hardware because I understand that it is just part of doing business. If you want to update, then do what's necessary, otherwise live in the past and stop complaining that MS sucks because they are moving forward without you. Trust me, you would have the exact same issue with other OS's.

Thu, Feb 5, 2009 Tom Casey New York City

I cannot believe IT managers who can't accept change. The IT group is the place where change happens almost daily. Microsoft finally got it right with Windows 7. It is time to say good bye to XP and move on. Vista was a disater. Why, they released it before it was ready. Why it took 5 years ( and now 7) to get it right is a mystery, but it is what it is. Windows 7 is a winner.

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